England out of Europe if Scotland gets independence
Norrie 
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 16:46
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Should Scotland get its independence surely that would mean that both England and Scotland would have to apply for entry into the common market ...if they wanted to be a part of it
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Griffon
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 16:52
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Not necessarily.
Mind you I think a lot of English nationalists are hoping to create an EU-free, right-wing enclave once they get shot of Scotland. |
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Norrie
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 16:54
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That could be their way out of europe The tory party do not like Europe in any form England without Scotland would never be even moderately socialist The NHS would be abandoned for the American style.... none
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JohnnyR
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:04
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England would remain a part of the United Kingdom which is the member country.
Presumably Scotland will have to apply - do they know where Scotland is in Brussels and Strasbourg?  |
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The Sage
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:05
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Quoting Griffon (25/01/2012 @ 16:52:40): Not necessarily. Mind you I think a lot of English nationalists are hoping to create an EU-free, right-wing enclave once they get shot of Scotland. May the Lord help us! |
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Norrie
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:13
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Quoting JohnnyR (25/01/2012 @ 17:04:28): England would remain a part of the United Kingdom which is the member country. Presumably Scotland will have to apply - do they know where Scotland is in Brussels and Strasbourg? Why the whole UK will have changed and a great opertunity for England to argue that they are no longer the same country and so exit the common market . As the torys will be the dominant power and are eager to come out of the common market this is what they will do |
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The Sage
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:21
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Quoting Norrie (25/01/2012 @ 17:13:23): Quoting JohnnyR (25/01/2012 @ 17:04:28): England would remain a part of the United Kingdom which is the member country. Presumably Scotland will have to apply - do they know where Scotland is in Brussels and Strasbourg? Why the whole UK will have changed and a great opertunity for England to argue that they are no longer the same country and so exit the common market . As the torys will be the dominant power and are eager to come out of the common market this is what they will do Their friends in big business will threaten their funding and shut them up.  |
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Norrie
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:22
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No they want out of europe and this is a BIG BIG chance for them
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JohnnyR
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 17:44
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Quoting Norrie (25/01/2012 @ 17:22:30): No they want out of europe and this is a BIG BIG chance for them I bet you a virtual pound against a virtual Scottish euro that you are wrong! |
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Jaguar
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 18:19
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This is pie in the sky. I have already explained why Scotland will not go for independence as soon as the Scots realise how their standards of living will drop and austerity will bite worse than at present.
Therefore this thread is a non-starter. Sorry.  |
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claymore
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 18:37
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Quoting Jaguar (25/01/2012 @ 18:19:11): This is pie in the sky. I have already explained why Scotland will not go for independence as soon as the Scots realise how their standards of living will drop and austerity will bite worse than at present. Therefore this thread is a non-starter. Sorry. What makes you think that we, the voting pubic haven't already worked that one out? |
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Jaguar
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 18:42
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Quoting claymore (25/01/2012 @ 18:37:14): Quoting Jaguar (25/01/2012 @ 18:19:11): This is pie in the sky. I have already explained why Scotland will not go for independence as soon as the Scots realise how their standards of living will drop and austerity will bite worse than at present. Therefore this thread is a non-starter. Sorry. What makes you think that we, the voting pubic haven't already worked that one out? I expect all the thinking public to have worked it out, claymore, but there are many here (as there are on TV) who have no idea at all of what is involved. |
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claymore
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 18:53
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Quoting Jaguar (25/01/2012 @ 18:42:26): Quoting claymore (25/01/2012 @ 18:37:14): Quoting Jaguar (25/01/2012 @ 18:19:11): This is pie in the sky. I have already explained why Scotland will not go for independence as soon as the Scots realise how their standards of living will drop and austerity will bite worse than at present. Therefore this thread is a non-starter. Sorry. What makes you think that we, the voting pubic haven't already worked that one out? I expect all the thinking public to have worked it out, claymore, but there are many here (as there are on TV) who have no idea at all of what is involved. I think that they might be the ones who wear tartan pyjamas and play scottish country dance music all the time. They, like many, and I include my dear late mother who was secretary of a local SNP branch, do not comprehend that any independent country has to become a player on an international stage with all the responsibilities that brings. This is an much an anti English issue as pro Scotland |
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Ad Astra
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 18:57
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The trouble is, those who vote for 'independence' don't realise that they will soon be under the thumb of Brussels instead, much more so than now, as Salmond will be relying on money from the EU (no hope of getting it - the Eurozone will probably be in an even worse state in 2014.)
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Hotel du Lac
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 20:17
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Well if they have no hope of getting it, they won't be under the thumb of Brussels after all, will they?
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partzoffa
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 20:30
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Quoting Jaguar (25/01/2012 @ 18:19:11): This is pie in the sky. I have already explained why Scotland will not go for independence as soon as the Scots realise how their standards of living will drop and austerity will bite worse than at present. Therefore this thread is a non-starter. Sorry. And I replied then that you don't have the least idea of how SNP supporters think, nor apparently the rest of the Scottish electorate, who are much less selfish than you seem to think. If Scotland does go its own way it will have serious implications, not merely financial, for everyone in what will be left of the UK too. Have you ever known a divorce that either party came out of as a winner? |
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louisjadot
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 20:55
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Quoting partzoffa (25/01/2012 @ 20:30:53): . Have you ever known a divorce that either party came out of as a winner? This is not a divorce from the rest of the UK, This is a journey back to where we belong, a independent nation in our own right. Even if this referendum does not give Scotland independence this time. It will happen some time in the future, as the Scottish people will never be at peace till we get back to being a separate nation again, it is in the blood, This is not a new thing for Scotland it has been simmering away like a volcano for years and it will rumble on and off till independence comes it's way. |
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Griffon
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 20:59
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Quoting Ad Astra (25/01/2012 @ 18:57:57): The trouble is, those who vote for 'independence' don't realise that they will soon be under the thumb of Brussels instead, much more so than now, as Salmond will be relying on money from the EU (no hope of getting it - the Eurozone will probably be in an even worse state in 2014.) I've long been puzzled by the Celtic Nations' enthusiasm for independence from the UK and enthusiasm to submit themselves to the EU yoke. |
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Solo in Surrey
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 21:07
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Quoting Griffon (25/01/2012 @ 20:59:42): I've long been puzzled by the Celtic Nations' enthusiasm for independence from the UK and enthusiasm to submit themselves to the EU yoke. I'm a very proud Celt, and so have I . . . |
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JohnnyR
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Posted At: 25 Jan 2012 at 21:28
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Quoting Griffon (25/01/2012 @ 20:59:42): Quoting Ad Astra (25/01/2012 @ 18:57:57): The trouble is, those who vote for 'independence' don't realise that they will soon be under the thumb of Brussels instead, much more so than now, as Salmond will be relying on money from the EU (no hope of getting it - the Eurozone will probably be in an even worse state in 2014.) I've long been puzzled by the Celtic Nations' enthusiasm for independence from the UK and enthusiasm to submit themselves to the EU yoke. me too....Scotland would go from being part of the 3rd largest country in the EU in terms of population to being one of the minnows, slightly bigger than Ireland but not much. I'm not sure that's a great position to be in at the moment. Scots may be many things but they're not in any way daft, they'll go for devo-max which will appeal to the Southern Tories so long as the Scottish MPs all get kicked out of Westminster. |
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