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chyia
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Subject: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 09:45
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I agree.
I think it is very unfair. You hve a working family taking home £26,000 and managing. Then you have some woman on news last night not working and getting all benefits actually 'shouting' "No way could i manage on £26,000" Like to know why there are people who think there is nothing wrong with unlimited handouts? |
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Solo in Surrey
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 09:51
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Quoting chyia (24/01/2012 @ 09:45:59): I agree. Ditto. |
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Lila1410
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 09:53
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Quoting Solo in Surrey (24/01/2012 @ 09:51:47): Quoting chyia (24/01/2012 @ 09:45:59): I agree. Ditto. Ditto. |
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baz46
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 10:07
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Pensioners on a State Pension of £140 a week, after probably contributing and working for 50 working years. A non-working person on £520 a week - there's got to be something wrong somewhere!!
I wonder just how much this person has contributed during the years they have worked (or not as the case may be)? ![]() |
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Lila1410
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 10:11
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Yes.
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Le Gros Bonnet
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 10:15
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Quoting baz46 (24/01/2012 @ 10:07:48): Pensioners on a State Pension of £140 a week, after probably contributing and working for 50 working years. A non-working person on £520 a week - there's got to be something wrong somewhere!! I wonder just how much this person has contributed during the years they have worked (or not as the case may be)? ![]() Correct. and my first question to that woman would be to ask her how much maintenance for those children her ex pays on top of her state benfits. |
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Lila1410
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 10:16
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Yes, and if not why not?
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mudkid
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 10:31
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When I hear this I worry and think of my own hardworking children on a mortgage treadmill to obtain the same as those who do nothing.
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baz46
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 11:11
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Quoting mudkid (24/01/2012 @ 10:31:15): When I hear this I worry and think of my own hardworking children on a mortgage treadmill to obtain the same as those who do nothing. Hasn't that always been the way in this country? I've worked for the last 50 years and can remember nothing other than this. Slightly off topic I know but things have become worse over recent years though with more and more people coming into the country and claiming benefits without contributing anything at all. Try this in countries such as Australia and I doubt you would receive any assistance. I applied for details of emigrating to Australia in my early twenties (1969) and in those days you had to have a job, a sponsor and be prepared to fund your own lifestyle, without benefits, for at least the first two years. |
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The Sage
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 11:43
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Quoting chyia (24/01/2012 @ 09:45:59): I agree. I think it is very unfair. You hve a working family taking home £26,000 and managing. Then you have some woman on news last night not working and getting all benefits actually 'shouting' "No way could i manage on £26,000" Like to know why there are people who think there is nothing wrong with unlimited handouts? People who live in London, had a good job, and were made redundant. London rents are so high there is no way they can live on £26,000 with children. Doesn't apply elsewhere in the country; its a London only problem. Do we want to end up with only the rich living in our capital? With all medium income people shunted out. |
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viola
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 11:46
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It seems that as soon as children are mentioned in the benefits system money is almost thrown at the parent/s. Of course nobody wants children to suffer but there should definitely be a realistic cap on benefits. The daughter of a friend of mine, who is going through a divorce, is hoping to take on the current mortgage using single parent benefits. However much is she going to get?? My partner was made redundant 3 years ago and has been on JSA of £67.50 a week (+ council tax) since then. He's unlikely to find work now at age 60. He owns his own house so no housing benefit and has had to take equity release as no money for the mortgage. His hardship, and those like him, is never mentioned.
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Lila1410
Posts: 6985
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 11:51
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Quoting The Sage (24/01/2012 @ 11:43:59): Quoting chyia (24/01/2012 @ 09:45:59): I agree. I think it is very unfair. You hve a working family taking home £26,000 and managing. Then you have some woman on news last night not working and getting all benefits actually 'shouting' "No way could i manage on £26,000" Like to know why there are people who think there is nothing wrong with unlimited handouts? People who live in London, had a good job, and were made redundant. London rents are so high there is no way they can live on £26,000 with children. Doesn't apply elsewhere in the country; its a London only problem. Do we want to end up with only the rich living in our capital? With all medium income people shunted out. So should people who have to travel a long way commuting into London have to subsidize those who are living there in expensive areas on longterm benefits? |
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chyia
Posts: 4029
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:00
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Lila1410, quite right to.
Why don't they move the people living in houses with rents at £1000/£2000 a month and contribute nothing to London out of London? |
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jimnic1 Deleted
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:02
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The advisers on the levels set are a company called Unum. They sell income protection insurance. Multiple convictions for Fraud in the states and banned from selling in many of them for a prolonged period.
Part of the problem is more about the level of pay for those working, with a race for the bottom going on. The actual number involved with getting this level are small and it keeps on being pointed out that this is an infinitesimally small part of the budget. No I don't like the idea of such high benefits being paid but each case is separate. I don't like the idea of a family losing a job in London meaning losing their home as will be case. Far more expensive in the long run when that happens. |
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fordyton
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:12
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My profile
"Dislikes" The demise of Great britain PLC and the people who are allowing it.,,,, and this subject was high on my agenda One would think that as most taxpayers think these changes are well overdue, that there would be cross party consensus .. but guess what!! |
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Myklebust
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:35
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Benefits !!!! what about all the jobs that are out there, 1000s of them available. The largest percentage of people out of work do not want to work, they are quite happy to sit back and pick up the benefit each week.
pay an unemployment benefit as now per person and a benefit for the first two children . Another thing, i wonder just how much child benefit is actually being spent on the children. The whole benefit system stinks, but no Government has the courage to really change it. |
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chyia
Posts: 4029
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:40
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Actually, while i'm at it. I don't agree with the church butting in and telling our Government what to do with taxpayers money.
The church has an lotta money why don't they help the so called helpless getting £26,000 for doing nothing. |
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Solo in Surrey
Posts: 150
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:44
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Quoting chyia (24/01/2012 @ 12:40:03): Actually, while i'm at it. I don't agree with the church butting in and telling our Government what to do with taxpayers money. The church has an lotta money why don't they help the so called helpless getting £26,000 for doing nothing. Ditto. |
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Griffon
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 12:56
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Even me as an old liberal come to this thinking benefits must be reduced.
I'd set benefits for a single parent family at 80% of the minimum wage + child benefit and no housing benefit. We'd need a transition stage because some people would need to move. That's life. Also those who suddenly lose their jobs may need to be supported for a year or so at an amount sufficient to pay their existing rent/mortgage. After a year their benefit would drop, assuming they haven't found a job. This is going to sound very harsh ... but you need visible poverty in society to motivate people to get out of it. |
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Draco Deleted
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Subject: Re: Capping Benefits. ...
Posted At: 24 Jan 2012 at 13:04
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Is there not a shortage of social housing. Where can these people move to? It seems that this is the reason why one hears of families being housed in enormous houses in boroughs in London ( out of normal reach for the avwrage person ) due to the lack of social housing-now Council houses do not seem to exist.
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